Talk:Twitter

Twitter name

I read the FAQ. Looked at the RMs. Couple thoughts:

• Most prior discussions have low attendance, less than a dozen editors. I don't see discussions of long length involving the wider community.
• The argument of discoverability is the same argument that Twitter is/was the better brand name. Hardly anyone will disagree with that, forever. It was an epic brand rename failure. Thus, we on Wikipedia will always argue that Twitter is more "discoverable", because it's fundamentally true on and off Wikipedia. Nevertheless, maintaining Twitter forever, for discoverability reason, is POV, essentially concurring with - and consciously indicating - it was a brand rename failure.
• X.com redirects to twitter.com .. this is an extremely strong case for keeping Twitter for now. If/when the company changes to X.com, the case for Twitter gets weaker.
• Wikipedia can follow the lead of many other sources using "X (formerly Twitter)" etc.. as an intermediary step, a deprecation step. This is already done piecemeal throughout Wikipedia.

-- GreenC 14:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree with concerns over small headcounts in the previous RMs. An RfC should probably be done in the future, with options like "X (social network)", "X (website)", "X (formerly Twitter)", and "Twitter" as titles. SWinxy (talk) 19:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I would keep the current article name, because it’s the historical and common name. But if you had to change it, I would change it as “X (formerly Twitter). TheMasterMind321 (talk) 20:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Unless we can agree on “X (formerly Twitter)” being the WP:COMMONNAME I doubt that we could change it to that. I can’t think of instances where we had to attach the former name to the title, and you’re unlikely to get consensus on changing it to something like “X (social network)”. The fact that the URL is still twitter.com and consensus being that “Twitter” is the COMMONNAME lends credence to maintaining the current title. Padgriffin ^{Griffin's Nest} 03:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

(formerly XXX) would be an unconventional form of disambiguation. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Also this would set precedent for other titles like ye (formerly Kanye West). Padgriffin ^{Griffin's Nest} 11:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Lead wording

The lead currently begins X, commonly referred to by its former name Twitter, though it is edited frequently and may well change again during this discussion. Other versions appearing this week include Twitter, officially known as X since July 2023, and simply X. Can we agree on a stable version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Certes (talk • contribs) 05:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I thought I put a hidden note the other day asking editors not to change the established wording. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

You did. They changed it anyway. Certes (talk) 17:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

X vs. Twitter in other articles

Okay, is there any clear guidance on which name should be used in other articles? Should it still be referred to universally as Twitter? "X (formerly Twitter)"? ViperSnake151  Talk  04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing the lead sentence.

The lead sentence should be: “Twitter, officially known as X since July 2023.” Instead of “X commonly referred by its former name, Twitter.” It’s just better wording, and it saves some time reading. + the article name is “Twitter.” So start it with Twitter & not X because people might not know what that means. And then add “officially known as X since July 2023.” To let people name it started out as Twitter then became X in July 2023. Therefore spreading more information. So my version of the lead sentence makes more sense. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 20:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I would agree, but there is hidden text saying Please do not alter this wording. Is there a consensus for this wording, or was it added unilaterally? BilledMammal (talk) 02:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The wording was shaped by multiple editors over the course of several months. The hidden note was added because drive-by editors would arbitrarily change the wording every few days, which led to edit wars and instability. I don't think any wording is necessarily "better" than others (there are probably a million different combinations we can use), but there is WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS for the current wording. If editors desire a formal discussion to reach formal consensus on a wording, I wouldn't be opposed. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

The current version was authored by @Unknown0124 in February 2024. Before that, it changed many times (formerly and commonly, colloquially, formerly known as, formerly called, currently rebranding to X, etc.) Again, I don't really have a preference for which wording, but I do think we should pick one and stick to it. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Changing primary URL.

Twitter officially known as X since July 2023. Is changing their primary domain from Twitter.com to x.com, and it’s already happening on the app. X.com will be the primary, we don’t know if Twitter.com will be a secondary domain or not even exist. And t.co most likely stay. So x.com is the new primary url. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not. Tested. — kashmīrī ^TALK 21:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

It's slowly rolling out, here in the states it still takes me to Twitter.com and asks me to migrate from a "Legacy Twitter.com account to an X.com account" but after closing that it lets me in. See here: https://twitter.com/d1mden/status/1790332811141865575 TechnoKittyCat (talk) 02:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Can confirm users in NZ are experiencing this. Keep getting redirected to x.com instead of twitter.com. I hate it. 115.188.25.183 (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Not happening at least in the U.S., but regardless, we would need a (reliable) source to support that. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Not confirmed by Probely[1]. — kashmīrī ^TALK 22:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

VPNing into NZ redirects to X.com for me. In the states it goes to Twitter.com for me, and my profile is still copied as Twitter.com/[myusername] TechnoKittyCat (talk) 02:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

+1 as an Australian, redirects to x.com if I go to twitter.com. Seems like they're rolling it out in some jurisdictions, probably as a test. I've updated the article to say that as of today , in some jurisdictions twitter.com redirects to x.com with a citation. If anyone has any issue then go at it I guess haha Luminism (talk) 08:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

It is still Twitter.com here in Britain. Possibly there are some experiments, but X.com is still nowhere near being the official domain.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

+1 another Australian. It's redirecting to x.com for me but showing the following error message on desktop: "Something went wrong, but don’t fret — let’s give it another shot." My best guess is that they're phasing it in. It's working for me on mobile view though. It's not letting me archive but it's showing the following message: "Welcome to x.com! We are letting you know that we are changing our URL" Since it says that they're changing it, it means that they haven't completely changed it for everyone and there's no need to update the primary URL until it's transitioned. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 13:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

In the US, site redirects to X.com now. My profile link still copies as twitter.com TechnoKittyCat (talk) 04:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The same in the Philippines too. Ahri.boy (talk) 12:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Domain name changed

Twitter.com is now x.com, and you have no excuse not to change the article name. Kerim Demirkaynak (talk) 07:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

It is x.com for me in Britain now and has changed in the last 24 hours. Still looking for secondary sourcing on this but it looks like the change is in progress.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Previous consensus: I don't have an opinion on this matter but there have been six move requests in five months, the previous one as recently as five months ago, and the general consensus has been that unless the new article title meets WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NAMECHANGES, WP:NATURAL and/or WP:CRITERIA, it is unlikely to be moved. The name an entity chooses to identify as is not always the article title. For example, if Kanye West identifies as Ye, it doesn't mean that Ye is more recognisable. It is extremely unlikely the article would be moved to X so if it is ever moved, it may be to X (social network). 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 09:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Confirmation via the Verge. That said, while renaming is now likely an option, I still suggest that we should keep anything dealing with Twitter prior to Musk's buyout as a separate, historical article. --Masem (t) 11:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

There is, as of writing, a strong consensus for this option among those opposing the move and I'm predicting this is the most likely outcome. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 16:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep the article name unchanged per WP:COMMONNAME. It's already X.com here in the Philippines. Ahri.boy (talk) 12:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Twitter could be a separate article, similar to how Twentieth Century Pictures and Fox Film have separate articles despite being merged to form no prizes for guessing. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

"You have no excuse" is not how discussion happens here. Maybe things work differently on the Turkish Wikipedia, but we operate by consensus.  — Scott • talk 15:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as this was the previous consnenus per WP:COMMONNAME but this could change in time. However not yet. Jorahm (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  The move request is below, not here. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 17:11, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 17 May 2024

Twitter → X (social network) – The arguments presented in the talk page notice are not sufficient; such a supposition must be stated before I may present my arguments. Likewise, the previous discussions referenced do not adequately express the necessity of a move request. I believe this qualifies as both a "substantial new development", as references to "Twitter" now appear officially absent, and an objection to a previously and overwhelmingly considered argument.

The argument that Twitter is the WP:COMMONNAME for the topic of this article is not well-supported, and the referenced articles above are not comparable. For instance, Kanye West is the name Ye chooses to perform under. The Washington Post lists several companies that have changed their name after becoming established. Though these examples often predate Wikipedia or occurred before the pages for these companies were made, it is not uncommon for a company to change its name or the name of its service; despite the strange decision, the usage of "Twitter" does not reflect self-references to Twitter or X by the company and an increasing acceptance towards "X". Though not infallible, Google Trend data suggests an acceptability towards X.

Though there remains a significant usage of the term, I believe sufficient time has passed to support the claim that X may be used to a degree wide enough that—with consideration for official usage—this move request is supported. The term "X" has largely replaced "Twitter" in news articles where the service is not being referred to in the past, though "formerly known as Twitter" remains a common descriptor. This appears to be associated with a change in the AP Stylebook. help.x.com refers to "X Rules" and "X accounts", and twitter.com is now x.com, the reason why I have suggested this move; The Verge wrote "it's not Twitter anymore". In a personal account, many articles I edit where a person is quoted on the topic have increasingly referred to X, not Twitter.

This move request is largely without precedent, but there exist instances where object within the real world have changed names, creating an inconsistency with colloquial references to said object. Willis Tower in Chicago is commonly referred to as Sears Tower because the tower had been known as that for 35 years. Similarly, Comiskey Park is known as Guaranteed Rate Field and formerly U.S. Cellular Field, but Chicago residents continue to refer to the field as "Comiskey". Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport is Washington National Airport to many. Name rights moves may be comparable in this circumstance, as they present a shift in colloquial terminology and official terminology that is reflected within Wikipedia to adhere to the present name of the field or building. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Hope it happens sooner rather than later, because at this point there's no excuse to not move it. Unknown0124 (talk) 14:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose only because what should be done is keep Twitter as everything pre-Musk take over (with a brief summation of the takeover), and move Twitter under Elon Musk to X (social network) to cover the takeover. There will need to be some content shifted between these two articles, but this will make future editing of the new stuff cleaner than trying to fit the new stuff into what Twitter did from the start. --Masem (t) 15:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  Also we should decide what to do with History of Twitter, which I think should be merged into these two articles on the same basis; the content there split between pre- and post-Musk easily fits within both of these suggested articles. — Masem (t) 15:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  I completely agree with both of these suggestions. Sock (tock talk) 15:21, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  I still don't have an opinion on this issue, however, the Google Trends data above suggests that "Twitter" is still the significantly more common term when compared to the increased use of "X" alone. However, waiting for the use of "X" to become as common as "Twitter" may be WP:CRYSTALBALL territory and @Masem's proposal is an effective middle-ground to end what is by now a repetitive and cyclical pattern while following WP:Article titles perfectly. Those currently opposing the move below, as of writing, all support this proposal which would treat what are now inherently two separate topics. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 16:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support. There is no reason not to rename the page, X has been known by its new name for a good while now, the only people protesting this are those living in a pipe dream where they think that not changing this page name is going to make Elon rebrand X to Twitter. Professional Adriazeri (talk) 15:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support The last vestiges of what was once Twitter have been scrubbed from the Earth. Bremps... 15:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. The correct course of action to address these distinct entities is as Masem suggests above.  — Scott • talk 15:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support but Twitter as an entity that existed between 2006 and 2024 may have to be split off into a separate article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Which is effectively what I've proposed above, just starting from a different approach to reach the same conclusion. — Masem (t) 18:42, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose because making X (social network) a separate article is preferable. There's so much shift in the platform after the acquisition (premium service, API pricing, check mark policy, media reports on increased hate speech...) that different articles should cover the entities. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 16:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  These changes don’t constitute the separation of the article, the platform hasn’t been merged or split and still operates similarly to before it was acquired by Elon Musk. No other article would be split in the event of a rebrand, this one should be no different. Professional Adriazeri (talk) 17:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  Viacom (2005–2019) and Viacom (1952–2005) set an excellent precedence for splitting as a result of corporate leadership changes. There's zero question that the function and operation of X from its management (Musk) is far different from the function and operation of Twitter before then, and most of those aspects of Twitter remain important from an historical context. — Masem (t) 18:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  Those (and similar examples, like the HP articles) are about mergers/splits of corporate entities, where the continuity is unclear and subjective. None of that is the case here; there is obvious continuity, and it is the split which would be subjective. Further, the "Twitter under Elon Musk" article is highly unbalanced by excessive focus on short-lived controversies, and embodies the very worst of current Wikipedia's habit of including every news story as it happens, perhaps guided by emotional investment in these same news stories, which can't, and didn't, result in an encyclopedic overview of the service as a whole (to no one's surprise). The painstaking work of integrating coverage of new-Twitter into this more encyclopedic article on old-Twitter is the only way to counteract those impulses, rather than a split-through-move. I strongly oppose your proposal. The level of detail in the Twitter under Elon Musk article is only appropriate if we think of it as a child article to History of Twitter, itself a child article, and not treat it as a substitute to this one. DFlhb (talk) 10:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Most of the sources I've seen treat old Twitter as dead and X as something that emerged from it, even if that's more proverbial rather than literal. When you look at all three current articles related to Twitter (Twitter, Twitter under Elon Musk, and History of Twitter), there's really one too many articles here, and it seems extremely natural to split what Twitter/X is between the historical service that was Twitter before Musk bought it, and X which is the current service. Masem (t) 12:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and instead support User:Masem's proposal to rename Twitter under Elon Musk due to the drastic shift in the platform's governance and policies following the acquisition. Aditoo17 [💬|✒️] 16:31, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move. The better option is to rename the Twitter under Musk article and shift stuff between the pages. O.N.R. ^(talk) 16:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move, supporting @Masem's proposal with my attached views. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 17:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Ok supporting will changed article from "Twitter" to "X (social network)", thanks. Andre Farfan (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move, for all the good reasons already stated above, and also because deadnaming twitter is funnier. Deiadameian (talk) 18:30, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move per Masem's proposal. GSK (talk • edits) 18:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment — The split argument is justified and would resolve this with ease. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:02, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move per Masem's proposal. I see no valid reason to rename. –Davey2010^Talk 19:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• [just got into an edit conflict] Oppose because of the fact we (as in, the Wikipedia community) prefer natural disambiguation wherever possible. Same thing with Kanye West remaining as it is, rather than Ye (musician) and Comic Book Resources to CBR (website). JuniperChill (talk) 19:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• I think we should move it to X (formerly known as Twitter) Because Wikipedia wants us to include “Twitter” so it’s “easier” to find. So I think it would make more sense. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 19:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  The title doesn't follow WP:Article titles guidelines. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 19:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose move per everybody else, weak oppose Masem's proposal – unconvinced that we need two articles just because the product evolved (slightly!). We don't keep separate articles for Google Apps for Business, GSuite and Google Workspace, or for all the various incarnations of Gmail or Facebook. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  Because the different incarnations aren't notable in their distinctions. We have separate articles for every incarnation of countries. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support: It's finally time. Most media outlets just call it X now. The transition from Twitter branding is pretty much complete by now and only certain stubborn factions, and the otherwise ignorant with little-to-no interest in X remain. And frankly, a lot of people insisting on still calling it Twitter have their own WP:NPOV-violating reasons. In the spirit of our guidelines, we have to embrace the new name; it's been like two years now. The domain change was the final straw; NOT changing the title by now raises suspicion.--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 20:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  I don't know about other people's regions, but https://twitter.com and https://x.com both work separately for me. We haven't even had the new name for a year. The fact they've taken almost a year to fully rebrand it doesn't mean it's now automatically the common name. --Ferien (talk) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

  twitter.com is just a redirect for me now. I see no vestiges of Twitter on the Support or even more technical pages or dev forums, like it was for a while. Everything has been swept up now. It's like Bell becoming AT&T, or [insert better brand analogy here]. It's over. The common name is sufficient in the lede, not the title. (Edit: excuse me, it seems "Twitter API" has yet to be updated in toto, but I imagine there's hurdles to that considering its critical functions. The exception that proves the rule? "X API" is being used sometimes though too.).--~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 20:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support: The URL change does it for me now, also per above. Efe Önem (talk) 22:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Makes much more sense to maintain this as a historical article and focus future updates on X (social network), given the Viacom precedent and the significant change in leadership, policies, and coverage post-Musk. Jordan117 (talk) 23:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, per all. Twitter's history extends much further back than the last 1.5 years. It's better known as twitter. Also, it currently has the nice url of wiki/Twitter, rather then renaming it to something like "x (social network)" or "x (formerly twitter)" (To the inevitable person who is going to insist that this social network is more relevant than the letter x, and deserves wiki/x, please come to my talk page, where i will thoroughly enjoy that argument). Your google trends data is worthless, because it compares searching for a literal letter (which could be done for other things--Google X, Project X, SpaceX, US Steel, X.org, pretty much anything with an X) with twitter. There hasn't been enough use of "X" to just ignore the 15 full years of Twitter. Tantomile (talk) 23:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Those who oppose changing the name of the article do so out of a sense of nostalgia and a grudge against Elon Musk. Twitter was beautiful but it's gone, you have to accept that, you may still use the old name yourself but you can't change anything by force just by thinking that's how it is. Wikipedia should not be guided by your personal feelings, it is an encyclopedia and it should write what something is officially called.

Kerim Demirkaynak (talk) 00:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Please assume good faith and avoid making unfounded assumptions about editors' behavior. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support The URL change and the year long time span since Musk has begun his rebrand makes it rather evident that X is the new title and some arguments for retaining the title "Twitter" aren't that convincing. I will say however that there is potential in creating a new article dedicated to the history pre-Musk. SuperSkaterDude45 (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's time. The last few months of the company before Musk takeover were gone. Please embrace the new brand. Ahri.boy (talk) 02:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment – The current platform needs to be discussed at X (social network). The transition in branding has now reached a point where sources no longer refer to it as Twitter and are dropping the "(formerly Twitter)" qualifier when they refer to it. Renaming should be entirely uncontroversial, what we should be discussing is whether or not to split the article. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 07:32, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: Much like the ship of Theseus, I do not regard X as the same social networking site that Twitter was due to the substantial changes in management and interface. For legacy purposes, they should be separate articles. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  That actually is a good thing: Twitter would be the former social media platform & X would be the current social media site. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 11:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  As far as I know, they're both the same social network. Splitting an article doesn't mean treating them as two separate companies. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 11:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  They are the same social network. Musk bought the site for a large sum of money in a highly publicised deal, and all the users and main operations remain the same. But it seems we're now guided by original research such as "I do not regard X as the same social networking site that Twitter was" rather than actual verifiable citations, so all bets are off.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: For all reasons above. 120.21.19.229 (talk) 120.21.19.229 (talk) 09:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose: The vast majority of people still call it Twitter not X even regardless of the URL change. Maybe in another year or two X might start to overtake twitter as the more common name, but we are certainly not at that point yet. Jasp7676 10:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support Masem's proposal - By far the most reasonable as X seems to be becoming a different type of social network to what old Twitter was. Enough sources use X as well now that I think it can be justified. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  What's so different as to be called a different social network? — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support: It’s finally time. Elon Musk has finished his Twitter rebrand to X. Now the Twitter name doesn’t make sense for a platform now officially X so it’s time for a change to X (social network). TheMasterMind321 (talk) 11:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Support. NY8642 (talk) 11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — NY8642 (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of TheMasterMind321 (talk · contribs).

  This account (NY8642) appears to be the third account you've used on this page, following Thegreat6336836853 and TheMasterMind321. The use of multiple accounts is a sockpuppetry violation. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 11:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  In one example, Thegreat6336836853 created a topic with similar language to a reply by TheMasterMind321 and then TheMasterMind321 deleted the topic from this talk page after not receiving enough support. TheMasterMind321 then announced that they're using NY8642 on their talk page and then created a support reply to their own support reply under the new account. All three accounts also have similar edit histories. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 11:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Doesn't this belong in SPI? WP:ASPERSIONS says that accusations must be made on the appropriate forums. You're not really supposed to accuse people of sockpuppetry on talk pages. Nickps (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, I shouldn’t have handled it like that. I rescind the accusation, which could be false, but don’t have any intention to action it any further. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 12:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  I think what you said above is enough for an SPI case and personally, I'd like to know if a sock is trying to control the discussion. I'd urge you to take it to SPI anyway. If it's correct, you'll have discovered a sock and made this discussion healthier, if it's incorrect, you'll have learned to be more careful when accusing people. In both cases, I think the outcome will be positive. Nickps (talk) 12:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  I’m currently working so it’d take longer if you wait for me to do it. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 12:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  WP:NORUSH. Also, I don't have the evidence on hand and to be honest, I'm not particularly interested in going around collecting diffs to make a case I know nothing about. So, I'll leave it to you. It goes without saying that I can't force you to do it though. You can also just not do it. I just think that, if you really think they are a sock, you should do something about it. Nickps (talk) 12:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Submitted. Any further discussions on this topic should be made there. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 14:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NATURALDIS. Twitter is still a common enough name so we should avoid the parenthetical disambiguator, at least for now. Whether Twitter under Elon Musk and Twitter pre Elon Musk are one and the same or separate entities that need different articles should be decided by WP:RS, not any editor's preference. Nickps (talk) 11:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support move, since X is now the dominant name by which the network is referred in reliable sources (particularly the AP Stylebook), and the old Twitter domain now redirects to X, signalling the rebranding is complete. I'll restate, based on my reasoning above, that I think Masem's proposal is deeply flawed; the Twitter under Elon Musk article would be fine if kept where it is, and indeed much of that coverage of Twitter/X's controversies was news precisely because of its relation to Musk, his leadership, and his impact on society, so it constitutes a proper topic, and an important one. But that article would not be fine if it became the primary article on X, since it would create pervasive due weight issues, problems which don't currently exist if that article is left alone. An article covering X mainly through the prism of problematic actions and employment disputes (as the other one does) would fail to cover its features, its technological aspects, its structure, and its societal impact in a proper and birds-eye way, as an article on any social network should. DFlhb (talk) 11:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  I think a new edition is coming out in a few weeks. Probably not possible, but perhaps we should wait until then? InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• It's the best time to do it now, after the domain change ALMRWIKI94 (talk) 11:56, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per all the reasons given above—blindlynx 14:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment — Parenthetical disambiguation is unavoidable in this circumstance. It is not the fault of Wikipedia that Musk has chosen to name his social media service after a letter in the alphabet. See Margaret (singer), Red (Taylor Swift album), Persona (series), Thriller (album), and Telephone (song) for articles that have parentheses in their titles. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  How is it "unavoidable"? WP:NATURAL explicitly states that the naturally disambiguated alternate name may not be the most commonly used name, and it doesn't have to be as long as it meets the five CRITERIA (which includes recognizability). InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose — Based on my personal observations of other Twitter users, a significant majority of them seem to still use the name Twitter. Many people that don't use social media might also not recognize the name X. In my opinion, the article title "X (social media)" doesn't match the criteria of Naturalness.

Hxnc (talk) 17:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I had previously supported splitting the page but I'm now wondering what will happen to articles like List of Twitter features. Article titles like List of X features may not meet WP:Article titles. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 18:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

"List of Twitter features" appears wholly redundant to what's already in the Twitter article. That should all be material covered in the main article, not broken out. Masem (t) 18:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Some articles like TweetDeck should probably be kept as is since that's another topic and X Pro won't follow WP:Article titles even if this page is moved or split. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 18:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. If we do end up splitting the Twitter/X articles, "List of Twitter Features" should be merged into the main Twitter article. Even now, that article seems a bit redundant. I do agree with keeping the "TweetDeck" article separated from the main "Twitter" article, since TweetDeck was originally developed as a separate Twitter client that was later acquired by Twitter Inc. Hxnc (talk) 23:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Comment What happened after the long-winded Survey that occurred not that long ago? I didn't see any formal result from this, it just got archived as if nothing had happened. As a result we have History of Twitter that is essentially a WP:CONTENTFORK of Twitter#History, given there is no link to the main article or summary of the child in this article. That whole situation remains a complete mess, apart from converting Twitter#Post-acquisition to an excerpted summary, that ironically was the original simplistic proposal following basic WP:SUMMARY guidelines. Personally I'm in support for the original idea, that appeared to have consensus previously, to rename Twitter under Elon Musk to X (social media), partially because Musk is no longer the CEO, so that article's title is flawed. Rant over.

CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Would it be okay if I tag everyone that participated in past move requests? 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 19:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Obviously it would, as it concerns them. Thanks in advance. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and sent notifications to 29 users that had previously participated in similar move requests but haven't in this one. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 06:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• @ElijahPepe Oppose for reasons already discussed TheThighren (talk) 18:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

  Can you elaborate a little, please? Do you support the other ideas presented or you just flat-out want it as Twitter in perpetuity? ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 18:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose move per other comments, and support Masem's proposal. AG202 (talk) 18:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move per other comments and the fact that this name change will create more confusion for users as I see it.--Historyday01 (talk) 03:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move and instead support the proposal to rename Twitter under Elon Musk to X (social network), initially suggested by Masem. I found the comparison to Viacom (2005–2019) and Viacom (1952–2005) persuasive. I suppose would Twitter then change to say "Twitter was a social media website"? (Or "Twitter was the name of the social media website formally rebranded as X in 2023"?) Hydrangeans (talk) 06:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  i Support this proposal—blindlynx 19:22, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose move per WP:COMMONNAME. Renaming Twitter under Elon Musk to X (social network) would make sense. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 07:19, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support Masem's proposal to rename Twitter under Elon Musk to X (social network). There has been precedents. – robertsky (talk) 07:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  @ElijahPepe, and since there is already a number of editors supporting the alternate proposal, would it make sense to have this changed to a multi-page move discussion? This is so that the RM banner/notification can be placed on the other page as well. – robertsky (talk) 07:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  It would be ideal to let this request take its course. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 14:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose move - Twitter remains the COMMONNAME, but per LilianaUwU, a move of Twitter under Elon Musk to X (social network) would be wholly appropriate. The existence of that article also strongly indicates that there is a clear demarcation. This article should be about Twitter and remain under that name. The X era has its own article and should take that name. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per other comments, this article should stay as "Twitter" for historical purposes. Masem's proposal seems like the better solution. Davey2116 (talk) 08:16, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support Toadette^Edit! 14:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. I was originally strongly pro-move, but reasons provided by others about split changed my mind. There should definitely be two separate articles, as X has a completely distinct identity, philosophy and features; and will continue to get even more distinct moving forward. I have three questions that I am not sure if this page is the best place to discuss them, but I will ask anyway.

1. When did twitter cease to exist and X was born? The date Elon completed the purchase or the date he announced the rebrand? (I believe it is the former.)
2. Which page should be moved to X (social network)? (I believe that Twitter under Elon Musk should be moved to History of X (social network) or something similar (I am not happy with the word "history" in my proposed title though). There are too many details in the Twitter under Elon Musk page that are notable, but I do not think they deserve to be included in the main X page. Also, I believe X (social network) should be a brand new page, explaining X from scratch)
3. What should be included and covered in the X (social network) article? There is a huge overlap between features of Twitter and X. (I believe everything from the Twitter page that is still applicable and relevant to X should be included in the new page.)

Please help me if there is a better place to discuss these questions. فره ور تیش (talk) 09:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

It's only here. There's no other place we can discuss the move. Ahri Boy (talk) 09:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

To answer your first question, you're conflating the company (Twitter, Inc. → X Corp.) with the service (Twitter → X). Facebook the company also changed its name to Meta, but the service is still called Facebook. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. It is still known as Twitter most of the time and even when the media feels required to acknowledge the new name it is as "X formerly known as Twitter" almost like "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince" and we didn't rename that article. Obviously that argument weakens as a few more people gradually start to call it "X" but we are quite a way off the tipping point there. Also, it is clear that what we see now is not X as Elon Musk intends it but a transitional form that is essentially just Twitter but with more monetisation and Nazis. X is meant to be "the everything app" and that will definitely be worth an article, whether it succeeds or fails in notable and interesting ways. We don't know what this "everything app" will be. It might even be that describing it as a "social network" isn't a good description. If it were to become primarily financial then that would suggest a different title. So, I think Masem is on the right track here. Twitter was/is Twitter. X is something else, yet to be seen. Maybe it is going to be three articles eventually? 1:Twitter, 2:Twitter after Musk, 3: X (Everything App)? --DanielRigal (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose any split. Twitter and X are clearly the same thing, one's a continuation of the other and the operation and model of the site is largely unchanged, give or take the rename and a few other Musk quirks. The idea that we should split it just because someone has taken over and shaken things up a bit is absurd. I'm actually gobsmacked that this is being seriously considered. As for the move request, let's just follow NAMECHANGES and assess what sources do. It may already be time to rename, but equally the name Twitter is still used so we could wait a bit longer. Neutral on that really.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  A decision would still need to be made on whether to move this article or not. Five criteria that WP:Article titles assesses are:

  • Recognisability: The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognise. This is more difficult to assess due to a lack of reliable source material but worldwide Google Trends data (as opposed to the US-specific data posted in the move request) suggests that while use of "Twitter" has declined slightly, the decrease is in proportion with changes in active users commonly presented in the media. The use of "X" in the past five years have remained the same. Even in the US-specific data presented above, the total use of "Twitter" is also still significantly higher than the increased use of "X" alone. Based on this, it could be assumed that "X (social network)" does not yet meet the recognisability criteria. However, both waiting for "X" to reach recognisability levels previously enjoyed by "Twitter", or assuming that it ever will, is WP:CRYSTALBALL territory. In addition, recent media using "X" still has clarification in some form, obvious or not. The conversation here is extremely skewed by particular demographic groups that may be significantly more knowledgeable on the topic than the wider population. Wikipedia doesn't always use the article titles that an entity identifies as, based on a large subset of precedent. While there has been a somewhat increased use of "X" in the media recently, Twitter has significantly higher historical usage, brand recognition, consistency with related articles (e.g. X suspensions anyone?) and current search trends. This move request was created far too soon after the URL was changed for many of the factors that could be used to assess recognisability to be properly assessed.
  • Naturalness: The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English. This again brings forth the issue of whether the people in this discussion are reflective of the wider population, the answer to which is obviously not. "Twitter" has played a significant cultural factor in recent modern history. Almost everyone regardless of demographic factors has heard of Twitter, even those who don't know what it is. This is not the same case with "X (social network)". While the Wikipedians here may disagree, the wider population is a completely different demographic to most Wikipedians (especially here) and - supported by global Google Trends data - "X (social network)" lacks the simplicity, common use and natural disambiguation that WP:Article titles expects. Recent increased use of the term in the media alone cannot account for naturalness and this is yet another example where "X (social network)" fails the test.
  • Precision: The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects. "X (social network)" already fails this check because it uses parenthesis for clarification, which is not the case for "Twitter". Without the use of clarification, "X" is an extremely ambiguous subject. It is literally not precise and cannot be easily distinguished from other subjects without it where "Twitter" does with ease. Facebook and Instagram are precise, "X (social network)" avoids natural disambiguation while being the same topic as "Twitter". "Twitter" is precise, a term that is unique and extremely specific compared to "X (social network)". Twitter doesn't need disambiguation and when compared to "X", is always about the social network. Explanatory parenthesis is the opposite of precision and this is another criteria where "X (social network)" doesn't meet WP:Article titles. Moving the page is giving a company special treatment due to its size and notability rather than following the same guidelines that ever other article title has to follow. "Twitter" describes the entire platform, past and present, and "X" doesn't have the precision needed for the article to move without being split. It is not consistent. Based on the same special treatment given to "X", "Bed, Bath & Beyond" should be moved to "Beyond", yet there isn't a sizeable proportion of Wikipedians advocating for it. Perhaps because we have stronger feelings towards the social network than for "Beyond"? That's bias.
  • Concision: The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects. My thoughts on this matter are going to be in addition to what I have discussed so far because unambiguity is literally in the description. Twitter is a single word. Everyone already knows what it is. Aside from significant changes in management, X hasn't changed enough from Twitter and having an article about what is still Twitter with a non-concise title is more marketing consistency than about encyclopedic tone. "Twitter" as an article title is easy to search for, read and refer to. "X (social network)" is not a more concise title, where "Twitter" is still an acceptable article title. X is not yet the "everything app" that perhaps may justify a move in the future, though then it may end up splitting anyway, but X is currently still colloquially Twitter just with a new logo. Aside from significant change in management, employees and company policies, they are both the same social network platform and based on the Google Trends data, almost everyone still refer to it as such. The clarification "(social network)" is redundant when the article title is "Twitter" so it is more concise and has better natural flow. This is another area "X (social network)" as a title totally misses the mark.
  • Consistency: There is a very large number of article titles that, under the same conditions, still have the article title be the most commonly used name because it is WP:COMMONNAME. There's also the issue with consistency with other articles. If "X" is so much more WP:COMMONNAME, why not move "Twitter suspensions" to "X suspensions"? If they are the same topic, why not move "Twitter controversies" to "X controversies"? If "X (social network)" meets the above criteria, why not move "List of mergers and acquisitions by Twitter" to "List of mergers and acquisitions by X"? Based on everything I have said so far, splitting the article is the only effective compromise because there is a very real possibility that there may never be an article called "X (social network)" as we go round and round about whether the title will ever meet WP:Article titles better than "Twitter". The title "X (social network)" lacks historical consistency and requires a separate article (or an excessively large subsection) about "Twitter" for the "X (social network)" article title to be consistent. That's literally the only reason I've been supporting separate articles so far. X is very notable, I'm not denying that, but Twitter is more so. If there has to be a page move today as things currently are, not splitting the articles won't make sense, because "X (social network)" doesn't meet WP:Article titles and any support for moving this page is already against precedence.

  Splitting is more a compromise than anything. If Google changes its name tomorrow, should there still be an article called "Google" or should an encyclopedia erase the brand, which has significant historical notability, in favour for whatever is next? Preserve or demolish? What is Wikipedia? For me, based on everything I have said so far, its either keep the page as is or split the article. Split by my definition is not writing two separate articles about the same social network, but what content each page will have is not something that I would like to determine myself. I have no interest in the subject matter other than to not have a loud minority dictate whether Wikipedia's guidelines should or shouldn't be followed. Splitting is nothing more than a compromise for which I have no interest in working on myself. I'm sure someone with more interest can write an effective essay on what it should include, as clearly there are many, and I'm sure it would be less about a former company but more about a period of time as per Masem's comparisons with Viacom.

  This is a long and opinionated rant so I'm sure there are plenty of mistakes and just because I'm opposing the move or favouring a split right now, it doesn't mean a lack of willingness to support moving the page in the future under different circumstances. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 17:07, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  Correction: I meant Bed Bath & Beyond (online retailer) should be moved to Beyond (online retailer) under the same special treatment. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 17:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  To clarify, I’m still in support of Masem’s proposal to split the article as per above or oppose the move for now. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 19:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose per others. RPC7778 (talk) 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME is still obviously Twitter. Neo Purgatorio (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose, since many are still referring to it as Twitter, also per above. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 17:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support, I think the rebrand is now complete as their domain is not x.com. And Twitter is a thing of the past even though they are still called Twitter by many, the official records still states that Twitter is now X.The Man Without Fear ^🦇17:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose move; weak support Masem's proposal. It's only been a year of "X" — less than a year, actually — but nearly two decades of "Twitter". The first bullet point of WP:CRITERIA is "recognizability", and Twitter is the clear winner here. A quick, extremely unscientific survey on Musk's own platform confirms "Twitter" remains far more common outside of perhaps his circle of strongest allies and supporters, regardless of the official preference. In the infamous Don Lemon interview a month ago, Musk himself said the X platform, formerly Twitter (2:57), and Lemon at one point asks him, How long are we going to have to call it 'the formerly known as Twitter'? (6:44). The second bullet point of CRITERIA is "naturalness", which WP:NATURAL elaborates on (emphasis added): Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred. But here, "Twitter" is arguably still more the common name. Masem's alternate proposal is basically what was proposed last time, which seems to have reached rough consensus but was never executed. I think it's a good idea and a reasonable compromise, but at the same time, two articles about the same service could lead to confusion and concerns of unnecessariness (is that a word?). InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  I think this whole vote tally is a case of people struggling with the is/ought distinction. What is "arguably...common" and "natural" in this case? ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 20:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support Clearly needed now that the domain name has changed Isla🏳️‍⚧ 20:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

X.com

It appears that x.com is now the official URL and no longer re-directs to Twitter. Georgia guy (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

See previous two sections. We have RS confirmation its changed, so we're discussion renaming and/or splitting. Masem (t) 18:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Talk following up from original: Requested move 17 May 2024.

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Ok. I get all of you want to make it redirect to X (social network). But Wikipedia won’t like it and some other people won’t like it and move it. What I suggest is a move to: X (formerly known as Twitter). It’s straight forward, it’s on point, it includes “Twitter.” & most media outlets even call it “X (formerly known as Twitter). I think it’s better than X (social network). Give me your opinions in the comments as: “Yay” or “Nay” & / or: “Agree.” or “Disagree.” Please give me a response, I’ll check the talk page in a couple hours after this post. Thegreat6336836853 (talk) 22:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I think Twitter site now redirects to X.com because I think Twitter is fully X and is finish now is little bit pending only the Wikipedia article I think you should wait one week then it will show. 18:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree. I would be mad that it would be “X (social network).” I mean it’s not bad but I think X (formerly known as Twitter) is better. Since it has Twitter in it. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why this is a separate section. The proposed title implicitly violates WP:NCDAB. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Too long, as cool as the implicit Prince reference is. ~Sıgehelmus♗_(Tøk) 22:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

As stated above, X (formerly known as Twitter) doesn't follow guidelines and the title X (social media) is one of the few things that both supporters and opposers of the move can agree on. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 00:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I just noticed the typo, I meant X (social network). 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 09:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

No. Professional Adriazeri (talk) 02:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Not a good compromise. Deiadameian (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

No. And definitely not "all of you". — kashmīrī ^TALK 10:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheMasterMind321: Removing sections from a talk page that have been commented on by other people is almost always a bad idea, unless it's being archived. I have restored the section as such. WP:TPO may be of note. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 13:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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